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Yea, I make sport of thee, and mock thee...

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[May. 20th, 2006|06:25 pm]
Yea, I make sport of thee, and mock thee...

delusionopolis

[mysticviper]
Change.
People in this community, and elsewhere on the net, seem to get into debates with people who will never change their mind on a subject. Why? Do you enjoy non-responsive answers and counter attacks?

The points that both sides of an argument seem valid to the posters but are not going to make a convert.
"Oh, I see your point about the infallibility of the Bible! I shall repent and go confess my sins to the priest tonight!"
Or; "Well, I guess I was wrong about 'The Book'. When I think of all the time I wasted trying to justify the contradictions, I get a headache."

I understand the enjoyment one can get from a discussion of opposing points of view, but most of the time I just see one side raise a valid point and the other ignore it and respond with an attack in another area.

Most people don't realize that this is not a question: "Do you want to go to hell?"
It is an argument. You have not established the existence of said place or how one may end up there.

"Do you believe in God?" What is 'God'? Of which religion?

Loaded questions with poor definitions of terms just end up being brawls not discussions.
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From: undrthesurface
2006-05-21 07:48 pm (UTC)
people love it. i think they just like the social interaction
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[User Picture]From: surrealestate22
2006-05-23 06:22 pm (UTC)
i second that. :)

flaming people you will never actually have to deal with can be cathartic.
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[User Picture]From: fizzyland
2006-05-21 07:49 pm (UTC)

Because the other option is to start killing them...

But seriously, it's one part that I have to share my world with these people and a second part I want to understand how and why they think the way that they do.

And since the Authoritarians are all about an agenda of forcing their views on others via the legal system, I think it's worthwhile to try and put some chinks in their unexamined belief systems - which also has the effect of putting my views up to be be questioned.

I'd agree it's a waste of time to try and change the mind of nutcases like Rush Limbaugh or Bill O'Reilly or Ann Coulter but many people have their views because of a lack of education and perspective. And I learn from my enemies - even if we don't agree.
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[User Picture]From: mysticviper
2006-05-22 02:38 am (UTC)
Trust me. I understand the social interaction aspect and exchanging of ideas you can get out of the discourses. I have read (but not posted to) a lot of exchanges on these and other sites.

What I wanted to know was, Do you think you will change someones view?

Fizzy has said he is not looking for that, but is anyone else out here thinking they can? And, if so, How would you see it happening?
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From: undrthesurface
2006-05-22 07:10 am (UTC)
but is anyone else out here thinking they can? And, if so, How would you see it happening?

it depends on how ignorant/stubborn the person wants to be. if someone is really looking for truth and being open-minded, they will naturally listen to all sides, and maybe even agree and change their view if it makes sense to them

if they are just arguing for ego, then it doesnt matter whatever is told to them because their guard is up, or they might not even care, just want to argue for the hell of it
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From: bhavanibbana
2006-05-22 07:55 pm (UTC)
Because we are all dualistic idiots.
The end.
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